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Questions
and Answers -CRITIQUE studentwork demonstration tales Q&A |
| buying
materials for the class |
Question
Do we have to buy all those materials?
Answer:
No just use what you have and buy more materials if and when you
need them |
comment
response |
Jon,
> I can appreciate that you do not want to ask everyone to run
out and purchase all of the materials you mention but you may be
running the risk of turning this into a fantasy art course where
you don’t give enough information to do anything, just enough
to imagine that you could. I know optimum is the best but the next
best is knowing what is optimum but doing what you are ready and
able to do with what you have and/or can acquire. I still don’t
have exterior grade plywood and I cannot find any white paper tape
here. If I didn’t have a large roll of tape I could go to
the grocery store and buy the small package of brown tape sold to
seal a package or two for mailing. The brown tape does not handle
the same as the white tape so adjustments would need to be made.
> > Marsha
Marsha,
Thanks for the comments. I will add them to the class notes. I know
reducing expectations may reduce participation, but the "no
fee" aspect all by itself may be enough to cause students to
write the class off as fantasy or inconsequential. People usually
don't value what comes easily. The exception may be a group like
this that makes a conscious choice in advance. I'll keep my fingers
crossed.
As to the tape, there are instructions in the page link about using
brown tape.
JRJ |
comment
response |
Jon,
here's my homework. My souvenir rock from Venezuela, and a leaf
from my Hydrangea bush.
I didn't have any watercolor paper so I used the back of a really
good greeting card. I sprayed both sides with water and pinned the
4 corners to a larger size cardboard. Then let almost dry and drew
the sketch (not very well) and used the following colors:
Rock, was black , cast shadow was UMB and Burnt Sienna
Leaf, viridian, burnt sienna, yellow and yellow ochre, cast shadow
under leaf is black
Okay, I'll go to the back of the class! LOL
Ps. No excuses but I do have really bad Reeves cheap watercolors
and only six colors plus LIMITED ABILITY!
Shrl,
This
is not a bad start, and the self deprecating comments are un-necessary.
We are always our own worst critic, it helps keep us honest and
working hard, but don't allow the self-criticism to get so severe
it hampers the work. Doing the work must come first. The result
is only a by-product. Keep at the process until the by-product becomes
an object of pride and admiration. Until then we will learn the
benefits of constructive criticism, for ourselves and others. JRJ |
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no
watercolorist
response |
Jon,
Since I do not do watercolour... if you allow me, i'll only be reading
the course each week as it is progressing...
If
you would like to submit a color sketch in another medium. we can
still play critique tag with the homework, but either way, You are
still welcome to contribute and add comments and/or questions. JRJ
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| question
gum
tape alternative
answer |
I'm
looking forward to the first class!!
I just have one little dilemma- I can't get brown gummed paper until
next week!! I have read that it is possible to stretch paper using
staples, but unfortunately, can't get hold of a staple gun either
!! So I was wondering if masking tape or perhaps thumb tacks could
be an option..both of which I have here. Are there any alternatives
for stretching watercolour paper?? And just how important is it
to stretch paper?
Sorry for troubling you with these questions!!
Shevaun, You can get brown gummed tape at office supply
stores, pharmacies, hardware stores and most grocery stores where
mailing supplies are available. It is also called gummed package
wrapping tape. Masking tape will not hold wet paper to keep it from
buckling.
Thumb tacks will work [minimum spacing 1"apart] Stretched paper
flattens after painting on it and allowing it to dry overnight.
The heaviest watercolor paper (300 pound or 250 gsm) does not need
stretching, but costs 3 or 4 times the price of the conventional
weight (140 pounds or 120 gsm) paper. Many watercolorists just paint
with very little water, and avoid buckling problems, but that is
a difficult way to paint. Try painting without stretching to see
how it works. JRJ
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question
pigment
recipe
answer |
I HAVE SEVERAL SMALL JARS OF DRY PIGMENT, AND SOME GUM ARABIC. MY
QUESTION IS: HOW DO I MIX THESE ITEMS FOR PAINTING. ARE THERE PROPORTIONS
TO FOLLOW?AND IS THIS A GOOD PAINT TO USE? DEE
Dry pigment is the stuff we are talking about. add drops of water
drop by drop to a half teaspoon of dry pigment to make a syrupy paste.
Add a brush full of liquid gum arabic to this and you will have what
comes in the tubes - adjust amounts to produce the "right combination".
It is best done by feel with practice. Wear a double canister mask
when mixing to prevent inhaling dry pigment dust which can be poisonous.
The high intensity color will convince you of the merits of mixing
your own occasionally. A palette or painting knife is enough to mix,
but stubborn grainy pigment might need grinding with a mortar and
pestle or muller and graining plate. Try to keep each hue separate
until you are ready to paint. When the mixture dries it is reactivated
with a few drops of water just like tube paints. JRJ |
| question
posting
images
answer |
Jon please let me know when you will be posting
our work for critique and tell me where on About it will be or send
me the link so I can find it. I've looked but can't find but probably
might not be on there yet. Thanks, shrl
Shrl,
I don't want to abuse the privileges of About.com by using it as
an auxiliary. Here are the links.
Student work http://artbuilding.com/Mat&Techof%20Painting/M&TofPclass%20student%20work.htm
Critique http://artbuilding.com/Mat&Techof%20Painting/M&TofPclass%20critique.htm
Class 1 http://artbuilding.com/Mat&Techof%20Painting/M&TofPclass1.htm
classes index http://artbuilding.com/Mat&Techof%20Painting/
questions & answers http://artbuilding.com/Mat&Techof%20Painting/M&TofPclassQ&A.htm
JRJ
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question
shadows
answer
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| "Chiaroscuro
Egg" a loosely applied version of the chiaroscuro shadow
effect |
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| "George's
Eight "acrylic on canvas 54"x 48" 1987 color
distortion at shadow edges |
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Jon,
a question about shadows. In my rock and leaf painting, is there a
correlation between the value or shade of the cast shadow and the
object that casts it? In other words, should my shadow color have
looked lighter or darker from the leaf than from the rock or vice
versa? Is the cast shadow darkest closer to the object and lighter
as it moves away?
Jon
I was thinking in a humorous vein of course, how I'm making excuses
about my painting because I don't have good watercolor paint. It
kind of reminds me of all the years I played golf and always wanted
new clubs or a new putter thinking it would make a big difference
in my golf score! LOL Of course I knew differently since I spent
a lot of time and money taking lessons and practicing which paid
off far better than any new club could do. The same will hold true
for painting.
I was
also thinking you could probably take my primary colors in my cheap
set and turn out a masterpiece BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
lol
Just
wanted to share my musings with you. shrl
Shrl,
The short answer is that "it depends". The best solution
is to spend more time looking closer at the subject. The shadow
contains reflected light - which is why every shadow outdoors has
a blue element reflecting the sky. Under the edge of a rock the
reflected color of the rock will contribute a lighter value. The
same is true of the leaf with the added lightness caused by its
inherent translucence. You might look up the term Chiaroscuro
to better understand shadow and reflected light. Some shadows are
closest near the base and lighter as the shadow moves out. Part
of this is residual reflected light from other sources {clouds or
nearby objects). I'll add your question and answer the question
more completely on the class Q &A page.
There
are other things to consider too. There is something called a gravity
distortion. We see color from distant stars bent by dark matter
in between. In this way astronomers can detect unseen planets. On
a smaller scale we can observe a prism distortion created when sunlight
passes near a solid object like a tree or chair leg. There will
be a color shift toward infra red on the near side and toward ultraviolet
on the far side of the shadow. red wavelengths are more easily bent
and blue less easily bent. Paintings in places with strong sunlight
will sometimes make note of this phenomenon. (particularly the Mediterranean
region and southern California. Through close observation I saw
and painted this fact in a painting I submitted to graduate school
in 1990 at the UW. The resident color expert [Francis Celentano]
asked me whether I was from southern California. I knew instantly
why he had asked. He knew about the color distortion.
From
1965 when I was in High School, I used the impressionists limited
palette (red, blue, yellow and white) until about 1980 when I finally
broke down and bought tubes of Hooker's green, sap green and cobalt
violet. I'd had a show that sold out and had a little extra money
for materials. It felt strange not to mix my own green and violet,
but it was a real pleasure to use the store bought colors. In grad
school my mentor said, "no matter how good you are you cannot
mix a green or violet as good as that which is available in the
tube". He was right, but the 15 or 20 years of enforced color
mixing had taught me a lot about color. Allow your limitations to
improve your sensibilities.
Jon
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question
sending
images
answer |
Jon,
I have been on the site looking for the place to add my watercolor.
I can't find the place to download my image. I am attaching it here
for the moment and I hope you will add it to the list on homework,
(this time only) Please tell me where to go to add it on the site.
I guess I am overlooking it. Thank You and I appreciate this opportunity
to participate. I appreciate you giving this class. My painting
is on the left and the original is on the right. If you don't have
time, just let me know and I will try to figure it out . I hate
being a bother. Julie
Julie,
If you read the information page it directs you to send me an email
with your image attached. You have done that. Thanks. I will add
your image to the homework page, and if you wish, I will include
it on the critique page and add a critique for all to see, or just
provide one for you alone. Let me know which.I will add your question
to the Q & A page too.
Thank you for doing the work,
Jon
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question
bees wax
answer |
Thanks
for letting me do this...I have attatched my leaf from Lesson 1
and rock from lesson 2. I was wondering what the bees wax is going
to be used for? It's 13.99 for 1 lb of it here. I bought a few items
today but cannot find the blue gauche. I did get the white though.
I hope this is all I had to do, it was a touch difficult to follow
what I was suppose to be doing. Barb AB, Canada currently in Mesa,
AZ.
Barb,
I use the stubby end of a bees wax candle as a resist. In my opinion
it works better (more natural and organic looking than the frisket
or maskoid liquids designed to resist watercolor. Please realize
that the materials suggested are simply recommendations. not requirements.
They are the foundation materials used in the different media. Bees
wax is the basis of a later medium we will discuss"encaustic".
Thanks for the question. If it is okay with you, I'll add it to
the Q&A page. Thanks again, Jon
{PS you can find cheaper bees wax at an art store,
but the cheapest comes from a beekeeper or indirectly through a
health food store}
[PPS
white gouache is the base medium for all opaque painting in gouache.
Pigment or watercolor is added to the white to make the opaque colors.
I also recommend the permanent blue gouache, because it is the most
used premixed color - for producing a flat even sky blue, most often.
They provide easy solutions to watercolor's most often encountered
problems.]
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| question
chinese
white
stretching
problems
answer |
Hi
Jon!
I trust your crisis has had a happy ending and that you are back
on track once more.
Here is my completed homework- I went out looking for a rock and
found an interesting fossil,which I have tried to paint. I wasn't
very happy with it and had a fiddle this morning. When I tried to
recreate the original rock position, I was disappointed to find
that the shadows weren't as colourful as they were yesterday. That's
my excuse for my colourful shadows!!!
I didn't have white gouache but used a small tube of Chinese White.
What is the difference? Could I have used acrylic white also?
Having finally gotten hold of some brown tape, I stretched my paper
onto a board that had several coats of gesso and had been sanded
smooth. When I tried to remove the brown tape and the paper (I gently
rewet the tape with a sponge to remove it),disaster struck!! The
watercolour paper was stuck to the board and ripped a little,and
I had difficulty in removing the residue of brown paper also. In
fairness, I did this painting outside in hot sunshine,so that might
have effected it. But since one of the reasons that I want to learn
watercolour is because I want to paint outside, I am concerned that
this problem might reoccur .What is the correct way to remove the
paper and gummed tape?
As always,please feel free to post all images and comments on your
website.
Regards,
Shevaun
Shevaun,
I'm back on track again , at least as close as I ever get. We never
need an excuse for adding more color, only for toning the color
down.
Gouache
is made with chalk (calcium carbonate) also called whiting, and
gum arabic. Chinese white uses zinc white, which is naturally greasy
and slow to dry, which makes it a nightmare for oil painting , but
thin and transparent for watercolor. Acrylic white uses a different
binder a long chain polymer ( plastic) from a group of such called
acrylates. It makes a waterproof layer that cannot be moved - not
great for watercolor and forbidden to transparent watercolor purists.
Adding acrylic paint makes the painting an acrylic or mixed media
painting. Direct sunshine always makes problems for drying paper.
I'm not sure why the watercolor paper stuck to the board, but they
all have sizing that may have been released by too much water on
the back causing it to stick. I cut the paper inside the tape after
slipping off the paper and tape together with a spatula, then spray
the board with the plant sprayer to soften and remove the residual
tape.
There is another stretching trick that takes advantage of the sizing
coming out. It is possible to stretch watercolor paper on a sheet
of plexiglas without tape, but you must get the paper good and wet
first, then allow it to dry thoroughly before painting on the paper,
and allow the painting to dry thoroughly once more before lifting
off the surface by slipping the edges with a palette knife or spatula
Thanks for asking - another good Q&A addition.
Jon
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question
answer |
Dear
Jon,
I am sending you this now before I change my mind!! It was a struggle...and
even now I am really not very happy with the result!! It is my Interior
View, oil on board (30x24cm). In my defence, I have never ever done
anything like this (a pathetic excuse, I know!! )
I am also sending you the fig from the week before as I haven't
heard anything back from you .
Both may be posted on your class website etc.
A question, what is the best way to store paintings?
I have been told that they are best placed between acid-free sheets.
Is there any way to test the acidity of paper?
Regards,
Shevaun
SHEVAUN,
my anti-SPAM mail programs have been removing your messages.I think
because there is a Yahoo PhotoMail advertising line up front. I
caught this just before it disappeared.
Storing paintings can be a problem. First is where Not in a garage
or basement where cold and condensation can cause mold. Next stretched
work on canvas or linen should sit on edge in a rack with wooden
spacers. cardboard may be placed between if necessary and they are
no longer sticky.
Paper should be stored flat. glassine separators are nice but not
necessary. Barrier paper is about as cheap as anything you can buy
and it works well. I have stored hundreds of drawings and watercolors
flat on open faced drawers under a bed. With a little more capital
I will invest in regular paper drawers. There are conservation boxes
and museum boxes that serve the same purpose and are wonderful for
presentation, if a bit pricey. I store large paintings on edge on
wooden palettes in a heated storage facility.
Glassine paper and barrier paper are PH neutral. You can get acidity
test strips, wet paper with distilled water and touch the test strips
to test acidity if you must. I just avoid newsprint paper and paste
board or cardboard for long term contact with artwork.I'll add this
to Q & A and put your paintings up on the student work &
critique page. Jon
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question
buckled paper
answer |
Dear
Jon,
Is there a way to rescue paper that has buckled ?? Can it be ironed
flat on the reverse, or pressed flat by heavy books?
Regards, Shevaun
Shevaun,
Good question. I will add it to our Q&A page
.
Art conservators have grumbled when I give out their secret, because
they make a lot of money from this simple process.
There is a professional artist version and a frame shop/conservator
version. Choose which suits you best.
Artist version: Place the paper face down on a stretching board.
Spray the back of the art paper with water from a plant mister.
Using a wide brush even the moisture from edge to edge adding more
if needed to get the paper to relax thoroughly. When it is completely
relaxed cover with a sheet of brown wrapping paper slightly larger
than the art. Use brown wrapping paper tape to tape the brown paper
down {make sure it is even & smooth and the tape is not touching
the art). then spray the brown paper and even the moisture layer
with the wide brush. Place the board someplace flat away from heat
and out of sunlight. Allow to dry 48 hours, no longer cool to the
touch. Carefully remove the brown paper and the art piece will be
flat and dry. [discard brown paper & tape]
Conservators
version: place a layer of indoor outdoor carpeting flat on a tabletop.
Place the dampened paper face down & cover with a 1/4"
sheet of plexiglas or plate glass (place weights on top). Allow
to dry 48 hours,remove weights,lift plexiglas & remove flattened
art piece
Expensive
version: use two sheets of blotting paper to sandwich the damp paper,
place in a vacuum table, evacuate air & allow to sit in the
table overnight or for at least 24 hours. when the art paper reaches
room temperature (no longer cool) it is done. Jon
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egg
tempera question
answer |
Jon,
I have got my pigments, well, most of them!! I would really like
to try tempera...and have been reading up on it. Just a couple of
things are worrying me.
Does it have to painted on board? Can it be painted on canvas or
paper? canvasboard even??
Why does it take so long? Do you have to wait for each bit to dry
before doing the next layer? Is there any way to speed the drying
up- like leaving it in a warm place?
Do you have to make up lots of different pastes and then mix it
with your egg yolk mix as you need it?
Can pastels or charcoal be ground down and used with the egg yolk?
Sorry for all the questions...it just seems a little daunting!!
Shevaun
Shevaun,
Egg tempera can be daunting until you begin, then it becomes almost
intuitive. Think of the thinned egg yolk as if it was an oil painting
medium, the pigment is put on a palette (with cups) and as you paint
you dip the brush in the medium first to wet it each time. You can
paint thinly with more medium than pigment or more thickly with
more pigment than medium, but the limitation is "no impasto".
You can't overpaint or add enough combined medium and pigment that
would coat a knife or be moveable with a palette knife. Think thin,
and if you plan to overpaint, only with drybrush (feathery layers).
You can use any pigment from any source including ground pastels
and charcoal, but they will most likely be too grainy. If you want
a short cut use watercolor paint directly from the tube. The first
egg tempera painters used gum Arabic in the medium anyway because
it was easier to get the dry pigment to behave.
You can paint on many surfaces: gessoed untempered Masonite, clayboard
and even paper ( a recent development) Usually a hard finish board
like 4 ply Bristol board is lightly sanded with very fine sandpaper
to make it behave like gesso, however, you cannot allow the paper
to flex or the dried egg tempera can separate flake and peel. Gessoed
paper would be better, but must be framed under glass ( preferably
Plexiglas) when completely dry (4 weeks or more after painting).
Canvasboard has too much flexibility and texture. Stretched canvas
is possible, but only if the egg tempera is used under an oil painting,
which increases plasticity and protects the dry egg tempera layer.
The process of applying paint takes a long time because it must
be thinly layered, and each layer must be dry enough not to scumble
with overpainting or it chalks, flakes and peels. Even so, you only
have a maximum of 2 weeks to complete the painting. After two weeks
the egg layer becomes rubbery and resists binding with subsequent
layers, and you get chalking, flaking and peeling once again.
Thanks. I'll add this exchange to the Q&A page. Jon
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